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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 7, 2014 8:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

Yea - I was at those MSG shows and I don't need an official release from that run. Was fun, and while that Dew was great, all in all just not that special. Go deep and give us something special.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 8, 2014 6:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

Go deep and give us something special?

If I was the Great Karnak I'd respond with "What did the sheep say to Rob". But I won't, because someone apparently doesn't want us getting off topic. Killjoy.

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Poster: AmericanReality Date: Apr 8, 2014 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

No "Killjoy" here friend, Just wondering if anybody else caught that comment in this weeks taper section? The previous comments to me, seemed like the killjoy.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 7, 2014 8:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

Nothing after '74 deserves a box set.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Apr 8, 2014 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

I mostly agree, but I do have a soft spot for the Orpheum Theatre, SF, July '76 run.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Apr 8, 2014 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

I second this. I think 1977 is astoundingly overrated but that Orpheum run had many astonishing/superlative moments and was pretty tight overall.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 8, 2014 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

The appeal of those Orpheum shows is lost on me DP.It's not as if they are bad,just sort of dull with the second sets not yielding any outstanding versions other than the 7/17 Eyes and the interesting Comes a Time.

-Already released-

Dick's Picks 20
9/25 partial
9/28 partial

Dick's Picks 33
10/9 partial
10/10 partial

Dave's Picks
9/24

Road Trips Volume 4 # 5
6/9

Download Series Volume 4
6/18
Bonus Disc
6/21 - 4 songs
6/22 - 4 songs

In a year with only 41 shows with the above mentioned shows already released, where the music for the most part was played in a similar manner and a smaller pool of songs being played it would be hard to justify a box.On the other hand if you are of the mind that those Orpheum shows were special you might say the more the merrier and who's to say you're wrong.It's a dicey proposition this what should be released business.




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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 8, 2014 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

I'm one of those that would love a n Orpheum set, but rather that argue your opinion of "Nothing after '74 deserves a box set. ", I ask what do yo think would make a good one ? What would be a "jeriouvis choice" ?

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Poster: billydlions Date: Apr 8, 2014 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

I know how JL would reply and I agree 100%: Fall 1972. I think the problem is the sound is not the best for this period which is strange because the early 1973 shows sound fantastic.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2014 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

You are right in that the sound quality of tapes from those shows could be a problem BD.I'd be fine with whatever they could manage as I'm not that hung up on sound quality.Also we don't know what is actually in the vault so there might be better versions that what we are not familiar with.

They could also put out the five Texas shows from 11/18 through the 26th which I think would make a lot of people happy.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 8, 2014 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

I would like the 5 shows from December '72 to be released in their entirety.A release of 6/7/69 for the Dark Star,6/26/73 for The Other One,6/8/74 for the PITB or 6/20/74 for the Eyes as single show releases would make me very happy.I just realized they are all June shows.If you're not familiar with those versions you might want to take a run at a few of them.

I think your arguing time might be better spent on the guy who wants 9/20/87 released.Take a look at the set list from that masterpiece while keeping in mind that it was '87.

Jack Straw
West L.A. Fadeaway
Brother Esau
It Must Have Been the Roses
Desolation Row
Might as Well
Promised Land

Hell in a Bucket
Iko-Iko
Looks Like Rain
He's Gone
drums
space
Other One (5 minutes)
Wharf Rat
Throwin' Stones
Not Fade Away

Touch of Grey
Brokedown

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 8, 2014 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

I'd go for a December 72 set in a second ! Just for the record, my favorite era is that pre-hiatus Keith period . Never unhappy when they put out more of those shows , though, as in the last 'Dave's", one might say "why this one, and not that one" . Second to that time is the post-hiatus Keith period, and the psychedelic stuff (6/26/69 yep !) . But I like, to some extent, everything, and it is nice to throw a bone to the Brent folks (some surprisingly good shows hidden in the early to mid 80's), or even, maybe, someday the Vince folks, once in a while . But I have to admit, when I get one of those shows, my though is "ok, now that that is out of the way ..."
You have a point on that 87 show, and 2 of my least enjoyed tunes "LLR", AND "T. Stones" in the same set ...
Yeah lets go with your picks first ...

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2014 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

I understand that to appease fans of the entire catalog they have to release stuff from all eras and there is some stuff I like up until about '85,but I certainly could live with whatever we have of the post hiatus stuff as opposed to an official release at the expense of something from '68-'74 era.

As for the five Dave's Picks from '69-'74 only the 11/17/73 show would seem to be a no-brainer.The 12/20/69-2/2/70 release makes sense in that it had never been heard,but I can't point to anything on it that is special.While the 7/31/74 show sounds wonderful the highlight is To Lay Me Down.The best material from that release is on the bonus disc from the 7/29/74 show with an all-time WRS and a great Other One.Again on DP 3 the highlights come from the bonus disc of the 10/22/71 show from the same venue with the Dark Star being the centerpiece.I can't point to a single extraordinary performance from 10/21 show.The most recent from 5/14/74 offers an excellent PITB,Brown-Eyed Women and El Paso,but the big jam WRS -> Dark Star never quite gets there for me and the rest of the show is just okay.So I could question why this show was chosen.All this being said I know there are a number of factors involved in why and how a show is chosen for release and that subjectivity plays a big part in peoples reaction to what is chosen.The crux of a release from the earlier era for me is the long jam sections and if the Dark Star,Other One or what have you have is extraordinary that is enough for me.

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Apr 8, 2014 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

thats a killer setlist and a more interesting release imo. Not many 87 releases at all and the fact that its a killer show from a killer run at a killer venue

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Poster: billydlions Date: Apr 8, 2014 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave hinting at a Sept. 1987 release?

9-15 and 9-18 are much better shows. Whenever you see 1st set songs in the 2nd set you know you're in trouble...and I like the 80's but this show does not deserve to be released.